| Birth: | 1787
Tennessee, USA | | Death: | Jan., 1870
Coosa County
Alabama, USA | 
The 1850 & 1860 Coosa Co, AL Censuses give his birth as ca 1787 TN.
The 1870 AL Mortality Index gives b/ 1788, VA.
Probably died at & buried in Flint Hill, Coosa Co, AL.
Wife: Mary Ann Lindsay (Lindsey).
Children:
Elijah Smith (*confirmed, in 1839, Patrick & Mary turn over all their inheritance from David Lindsey to (son) Elijah Smith).
Guy Smith, Sr.
Rebecca Jane Smith
James Smith
David L. (probably Lindsey) Smith
Mary Jane Smith
John Alexander Smith, Sr.
Rachel Smith
Patrick Smith, Jr.
Elizabeth E. Smith
THE BURIAL LOCATION PROBLEM:
Patrick Smith, Sr.'s death date was located on 2/24/13 by Briana S. Felch in the 1870 Mortality Index for Coosa Co, AL.
His place of burial, death date & place of burial for his wife is still unknown. He was presumably living in Flint Hill at the time of death, so a Flint Hill area burial is likely. See notes below from the Mortality Index on some discrepancies about this location.
1870 Mortality Index; Coosa Co, AL:
Ancestry pg 12/ 26: Stamped pg. 176, handwritten page 2:
Schedule 2. - Persons who died in the year ending 1 June 1870 in the county of Coosa, Alabama.
# of the Family as Given in the 2nd Column of Schedule 1 /
Name of every Person who died in year ending 1 Jun 1870 whose normal place of abode at the time of death was in this family /
Description: Age last birthday. If under 1 year, give months in fractions;
Sex: M or F; Color: W, B, Mulatto (M) Chinese (Ch), Indian (I) /
Married or Widowed / Place of birth / Parentage: if Father, mother of foreign birth / Month in Which Died / Occupation / Disease or Cause of Death /
27) Colman**
Smith, Patrick / 81 / M / W / W / VA / - / - / Jan. / Farmer / Dropsy* Disease* of Heart
**BSF Note: Colman appears marked out, but nothing written in its place. Dropsy marked out, Disease written in space above it.
28) Tell, T. J.
--M. J. C. / 1/12 / M / W / - / AL / - / - / January / Bold* Hives
**BSF Note: Bold is marked out.
Thomas Jefferson Teel household. Child is listed on Mortality Index and 1870 Census as M. J. C., male, but was probably the son that other sources show was named John M. C. Teel.
Schedule 1 of the 1870 Coosa Co, AL Census:
Flint Hill Beat:
Handwritten page. 71, Ancestry image pg. 4/17, Enumeration Date: blank
Dwelling / Family #:
HH 26 / 27:
Smith, H. J. 23, m, farmer, AL, citizen
A. J. 21, f, keeping house, AL, can't write
Dora, 11 / 12, f, AL, July
HH 27 / 28:
Coleman, W. H., 55, m, farmer, 300, NC, citizen
M. R., 47, f, keeping house, AL, can't write
**BSF Note: Per instructions, the family # on the Mortality Index corresponds to the family # on the main (regular) census in column 2.
Patrick was in FAMILY #27, which should be this H.J. Smith family.
Since "Colman" had originally been written on the Mortality Index, but it looked partially marked out, and nothing written in it's place, it is unclear whether he was living with this family 27, H. J. Smith, which corresponds to the correct instructions, or the W. H. Coleman family.
Genealogically speaking, either one would "fit."
H. J. Smith is Patrick's grandson, Henry Jackson Smith b/ 1847 m/ Alcey Jane (Nancy) Blankenship, son of John Alexander Smith (who was Patrick's son) and Mary Frances (Fanny) Pody.
Patrick Smith's daughter, Mary Jane (not M. R. as in this census) married William H. Coleman.
The self-published book, "The Story of Flint Hill of Times Past and Present," by John D. Samuels (date?) states that Patrick's son John Alexander Smith was associated with Flint Hill Methodist Church or Flint Hill, in general, so again, a Flint Hill death and burial makes sense.
HH 27 / 29:
Blankenship, M. J. (N. J.?), 22, m, farmer, 250, 220, AL, citizen
M. J., 15, f, keeping house, AL
HH 28 / 30:
Teel, T. J., 23, m, farmer, 300 / 400, AL, citizen
T. J., 16, keeping house, AL
W. Henry, 23, farmer, AL, citizen
M. J. C., 1/12, AL, Jan.
***BSF Note: Child M. J. C. Teel is listed here on the regular census, but was listed on the 1870 Mortality Index immediately after Patrick Smith who died in Jan. 1870. M. J. C. Teel was also listed as died in January. As June 1st was the official census date that year, if the enumerator had followed instructions, M. J. C. who died in January should not have been listed here as he was already deceased as of 1 June 1870.
We can probably assume there was no mistaking the month of June for January in M. J. C. Teel's case since surely some other deaths would have occurred between Jan. and June of 1870, even in the small town of Flint Hill?
This matters in calculating the child's estimated birth date as well as correct death date. Assuming the census listing is in error & the mortality index is correct, he died Jan. 1870, so would have been born ca Dec. 1869.
Mary Ann Lindsey Smith, wife of Patrick, died between the 1866 AL State Census (for Patrick Smith, Sr.) & his Jan. 1870 death as he was listed as widowed at the time of his death.
Per the 1870 Coosa Co, AL Census Schedule 1. he had to have been living in Flint Hill at his death, either with the H. J. Smith or W. H. Coleman family. However, the Ancestry transcription shows he died in "Jones Bluff, Coosa Co, AL." Why the discrepancy?
My guess is that since the page on which Patrick is shown in the Mortality Index does not list a town, the transcriber used the town on the previous page; Jordan's Beat, but perhaps incorrectly transcribed it as Jones Bluff. Google maps shows a Jones Creek near Flint Hill Cemetery.
Could there be a Jones Bluff there also?
Some researchers believe Patrick Smith was probably buried in an unmarked (or now lost) grave at Old Poplar Springs Cemetery (Hanover Beat), about 6 miles from Rockford.
Flint Hill has a Methodist Church and if his children, John A. and Guy, were Baptists, as it appears (both are buried at Baptist Church cemeteries), then it seems more probable that Patrick, too, was a Baptist. His son, David L. Smith, my 3G Grandfather, is buried at (Old) Weogufka First Baptist Church Cemetery, in Weogufka, Coosa Co, AL.
My guess is that he was buried somewhere in the Flint Hill enumeration district, but I am not sure what modern areas that would have encompassed in 1870.
Hopefully, this new information on his date of death and where he lived at his death will help narrow down his place of burial, if not also locate his grave and possibly Mary's.
Please contact me with any additions or corrections or if someone can help me with research on these locations that might help locate his probable grave site.
----BSF 2/24/2013, updated 8/23/2015
THE PATERNITY PROBLEM / RE: RESEARCH & DNA TESTING:
**Inherited research from multiple sources suggests Patrick was son of either the Rev War. Pensioner James Smith (b/ Oct 1760 Hanover Co, VA d/ 1843 Jackson Co, AL) who allegedly m/ Hannah Parker (but did NOT marry her) or the ¼ Cherokee, James Smith b/ 1762-1764 VA of Knox Co, KY who m/ Nancy Mulkey; both James Smiths of 1830 Jackson Co, AL.
Absent others' clear rationale or sources, the most logical assumption for his alleged father as the Pensioner James Smith is that of James' proximity to Patrick's father-in-law, David Lindsey, in 1809 Madison Co, AL Mississippi Territory. But Patrick is nowhere to be found, indicating he was likely still back in TN, where he met & married Mary Ann Lindsey, after her father, David Lindsey moved to Madison Co, AL MS Territory. If both his father (allegedly the Pensioner James Smith) AND his father-in-law moved to AL, wouldn't Patrick have likely come as well? But Patrick is not KNOWN to appear in Alabama until 1830 Jackson Co, AL. (Evidence indicates an earlier Patrick R. Smith in Huntsville, Madison Co, AL as early as 1812 is a different Patrick entirely).
I think the KY / Cherokee James Smith m/ Mulkey candidate came into play due to the confusion among the various James Smiths (all born 1761-1770) in the 1830 Jackson Co, AL Census and beyond.
There are 3 James Smiths of age to be Patrick's father in 1830 Jackson Co, AL; 2 named James Smith, one named James A. Smith. All 3 have been crossed many times over by most, if not all, researchers.
Most researchers cite either the Rev. Pensioner or KY James (m/ Mulkey) as the James A. Smith, but that middle initial cannot be conclusively linked to either man. The man I think is the real James A. Smith, father of Brooks Smith of AL, and brother of Brooks Smith of TN, is often disregarded or missed entirely by researchers, but is very relevant to our search (other than where they cross him with one or both the other men).
Regardless, that all 3 are b/ 1761-1770 and are in 1830 Jackson Co, AL makes them all ripe for confusion and for consideration as candidates.
I have ideas for which James is which, that somewhat contradicts "accepted" researcher theories, so am happy to discuss in detail further.
It seems that some have indicated the one living closest to both Patrick and Brooks Smith as being the KY James and I think that is inaccurate. For one thing, proximity alone cannot be the only factor in establishing identities.
For example, y-DNA evidence seems to indicate that my Patrick and the younger (ALA) Brooks are not related.
*Caveat: This assumption that Patrick and Brooks Smith are not related is based on the fact that no descendant of the ALA Brooks has y-DNA tested, but he is assumed to be the nephew of the older TN / KY Brooks Smith and a descendant of that older Brooks Smith has tested. It also assumes that the correct James Smith as father of Brooks has been linked and I think this is where the problem lies.
In other words, assuming naturally that ALA Brooks is nephew of TN Brooks, then Patrick and Brooks would NOT be related. However, if the ALA Brooks (and therefore the TN Brooks) were linked incorrectly to the wrong one of the 3 Jackson Co, AL James; then my Patrick COULD be son of the James that people believe is Brooks' father, but not be related to Brooks.
In other words, linking the wrong James Smith as father of Brooks could give us a false negative on my Patrick being son of that James. Most researchers think that the KY / Cherokee James who m/ Nancy Mulkey is the father of ALA Brooks. Using this example, then, if that James was not his true father, but his father were instead the Rev. War Pensioner James, then correcting the trees, would mean that KY / Cherokee James could be the father of my Patrick as he would have no relationship to ALA Brooks, and thus none to the TN Brooks either.
Going back to proximity as clues in a census, we have one of the James living closer (than the other 2 James of age) to both Patrick and Brooks.
Based on DNA, we know that Patrick and Brooks cannot be relatives.
So the James located near them *can* be, but doesn't have to be, father to one, but cannot be father to both. Thus, we have proximity as a clue, but to which one, if either?
Furthermore, researchers seem to miss that only ONE James was listed in 1830 as "James A. Smith," the very name that matches the father of Brooks Smith in his 1850 Jackson Co, AL household. And that James A. Smith in 1830 was living nowhere near either Brooks NOR Patrick Smith.
Thus, I think that 1830 James A. Smith is the father of Brooks, simply because he is the only one that we can conclusively say had the middle initial of A that matches between 1830 and 1850. (One or both of the other two men could have the middle initial of A, but we do not KNOW that with any certainty). This would mean the other two men named simply as James Smith cannot be the father of Brooks and one of the 2 must be father to Patrick.
The James (not listed as James A. Smith) who is living closest to Patrick however, is much closer to John Lindsey than to Patrick. Though Lindseys were Patrick's in-laws, that John Lindsey was the witness to Pensioner James Smith's pension application and a long-time neighbor, back to the 1809 Madison Co, AL MS Territory Census. So I think the James Smith living closest to Patrick Smith, but even closer to this John Lindsey, is the Pensioner James. And I think it is probably just coincidence that two
different Smith families had ties to the same Lindsey family - Pensioner James having been an early neighbor and Patrick Smith having married into the line back in Tennessee.
Since the 3rd enumerated James Smith was James A. Smith, clearly the father of Brooks, and the John Lindsey, neighbor, pensioner witness was the 2nd enumerated one, albeit living near both Brooks and Patrick Smith,
that means the first James Smith, the one living near a known son-in-law, Joseph Neely, would be the KY James who m/ Nancy Mulkey.
Researchers of that line, namely David Travillion Bunton, who wrote a ca 1994 thesis on his Shepherds of AR (daughters of this KY James) insist that Nancy Mulkey was mother to all his known children, lived in Jackson Co, AL AND was on the 1838 Trail of Tears.
Regardless of whether researchers agree with my assessment of "who was who" in 1830 Jackson Co, AL as for these 3 James Smiths, none of the presumed wives, the oldest women in the homes, are old enough to be mother to all or any known children of that KY James Smith.
Either KY James married 1st to Nancy Mulkey and she was the mother of the children, but died before 1830 and thus wasn't on the Trail of Tears, OR she was a 2nd, much younger wife (of age to be a daughter), and was listed in 1830 and thus made the 1838 Trail of Tears.
Since grandchildren seemed to recount her living in AR and discussing the removal, this is harder to debunk, so she must have been a second, younger wife, and not the mother of the known children.
Thus, though this KY James *did* (allegedly) married Nancy Mulkey, I don't think she was mother to the known children. That 1st wife and mother of this Knox Co, KY James Smith (1/4 Cherokee) remains to be identified.
As of 6/8/14, y-DNA (37 marker, later upped to 64 marker) testing of my father, Patrick Smith's 3G grandson, indicates that we do NOT match Brooks Smith b/ 1766 m/ Rebecca Daniels, the **alleged** brother of the KY James m/ Nancy Mulkey who (James) **allegedly** had a son named Brooks Smith b/ 1796 in Jackson Co, AL. (NOR do we match any of the various older Guy Smiths).
At first, I thought this clarified things and left the other leading candidate, Pensioner James Smith who allegedly married Hannah Parker, as our Patrick's father. But upon further review and analysis, I think this is, at best, very misleading, and that it, in fact, it points to KY James as father. Bear with me while I explain.
We *do* match a David Smith b/ ca 1789 TN whose son Richard was b/ 1838 Jackson Co, AL and this David very well could fit as Patrick's brother, but this has *NOT* been confirmed.
Furthermore, evidence on this David Smith line clearly indicates that David was a son of a "Cherokee Jim" (James) Smith, wife unknown, and that seems to match the information we have on this KY James Smith (m/ Mulkey).
Going back to the 3 James Smith candidates from 1830 Jackson Co, AL, we only know that KY James was allegedly 1/4 Cherokee. We can rule out Pensioner James Smith as Cherokee at all since Cherokees would have fought for the British and not received a pension.
We know nothing firm about the James A. Smith, father of Brooks Smith, again, presumably not the KY James m/ Nancy Mulkey, other than what we can glean from that Brooks' presumed relationship to the older TN Brooks Smith b/ 1766 who married Rebecca Daniels. Presumably the younger Brooks b/ 1796, son of James A. Smith and unknown wife, was the nephew to the older Brooks b/ 1766.
Again, my dad's y-DNA does NOT match the older Brooks, so that seems to rule out also a relationship to the younger Brooks. And because of the confusion among the 3 James Smiths and their descendants / researchers, I think the trees that indicate KY James as Brooks' father are wrong.
Thus, at first glance, it looked like we could rule out KY James as Patrick's father, because we don't y-DNA match Brooks' presumed namesake, uncle Brooks Smith b. 1766, but if the trees are wrong linking Brooks to that KY James, then this would be a false negative of our Patrick to KY James.
Researchers of the elder Brooks Smith seem to forget that when he married his wife in 1788 Washington Co, TN, there was a James Smith m/ 1791 in Washington Co, TN to Esther McDonalds. They are the likely candidate parents of the younger Brooks Smith of Jackson Co, AL!
Outside of this assumption they are Brooks' parents, there is no indication whether this James A. Smith might be Cherokee. In fact, the presence of a middle initial would seem to debunk any significant Cherokee blood as middle names were not common.
Even if we assume this ALA Brooks Smith's father is the James m/ Esther McDonalds who records indicate was the probable brother of the elder Brooks, then we know something about them. Researchers of that elder Brooks Smith line indicate that TN Brooks' & James' father, presumed grandfather of the younger ALA Brooks, was John Smith who *married* a 1/4 Indian, not specifically Cherokee.
So this would make the elder TN Brooks and his brother James (m/ McDonalds) 1/8 Indian, but neither 1/4 nor specifically Cherokee as is claimed by descendants of the KY James m/ Mulkey.
1/4 Cherokee (KY James) and 1/8 Indian (elder TN Brooks Smith & brother James) do not match, so the KY James who was 1/4 Cherokee could not be the same as the elder TN Brooks Smith's brother James, nor presumably father of the younger Brooks either.
Of the 3 candidate fathers, KY James = 1/4 Cherokee that matches the records of the David Smith that Patrick Smith descendants y-DNA match;
and the James A. Smith, presumably m/ Esther McDonalds and was father to the younger Brooks & brother to the older Brooks = 1/8 some Indian tribe, and Pensioner James Smith was not Cherokee, if any indian at all.
Again, evidence seems to point back to KY James who married Nancy Mulkey as Patrick's father (but Mulkey not as mother).
Further clues can be gained in the oral history of our family. This Cherokee Jim Smith who was David Smith's father was alleged (on the Cherokee Citizenship Application of David's daughter) to be "of Chattanooga and Alabama."
Where in Alabama is not stated, but David's son, Richard was allegedly born in Jackson Co, AL in 1838, so ties there seem pretty convincing.
I found in my notes, two different descendants' oral history indicated that my Patrick's oldest son, Elijah, had ties to Chattanooga! In fact, it appears that Elijah and his father-in-law, John Cornutt, moved to Chattanooga between 1830 and 1840. By 1840, Elijah was in Coosa Co, AL, & he died there before 1850.
I found Elijah Smith on the 1837 & 1838 Hamilton Co, TN Tax Lists, next door to a David, probably the y-DNA son of Cherokee Jim, and an Alexander O. Smith, possibly another brother of Patrick. And our Patrick named a son John Alexander Smith, possibly after a brother!
Also, we go from 3 James Smiths in 1830 Jackson Co, AL to 2 in 1840 Jackson Co, AL.
We know one still there in 1840 is James A. Smith, father of Brooks, because he is still there in 1850 (in Brooks' household) and we know the other is the Pensioner James as he is listed on the 1840 Pensioner Index living with son James P. Smith and he dies there in 1843.
That means we lose one of them between 1830 and 1840, and only the KY James m/ Mulkey makes sense. We don't know if he died or moved.
But in light of the Cherokee Jim of Chattanooga connection and the tie of presumed grandson, Elijah Smith, to Chattanooga about that time, KY James moving to Chattanooga makes sense. If his wife, Mulkey, was forced to remove ca 1838, then it would make sense why he might suddenly move.
If you look up Chattanooga on Wikipedia, you will find it was ca 1838 a Cherokee encampment. And as KY James was allegedly an Indian trader, this could also explain his move to Chattanooga around that time. She might even have briefly been encamped there.
Furthermore, I have found evidence that ties Elijah's daughter, Mary Smith Kilpatrick, to at least two counties in MS and AR associated with KY James Smith's known children and grandchildren! And on one of these census records, when she was living near her Smith cousins, she indicated her father, Elijah, was born in KY, where previously she had indicated TN!
This ties back to where was Patrick Smith in 1809 when his father-in-law, David Lindsey, was in the 1809 Madison Co, AL MS Territory Census.
If Patrick is nowhere to be found, I thought he must have been back in TN where he would have presumably met and married Mary Ann Lindsey. Due to Elijah's birth, it is thought Patrick married ca 1806 in TN. Where could he have met and married Mary?
David Lindsey was living in Greene Co, TN from about 1785 to 1805. In 1805, he moved to Claiborne Co, TN. Claiborne Co, TN bordered what was then Knox Co, KY; where KY James Smith was living through at least 1809.
Hence, I think when David Lindsey moved to Madison Co, AL by 1809, Patrick, with his new wife, Mary Ann Lindsey, and son, Elijah, were either living in Knox Co, KY near his presumed father, KY James (who later married Nancy Mulkey), or living in the bordering county of Claiborne Co, TN, where he likely met and married Mary.
And that explains the TN connection we see on various census records for both Patrick and Elijah.
And I think when Elijah's daughter, Mary Smith Kilpatrick, moved near her (KY) Smith cousins, they recalled Patrick and Elijah living in KY when Elijah was born and maybe they set her straight.
It is one thing for us to cross 3 James Smiths and falsely assume that KY James *might* have been our Patrick's father, but if there was no basis to the KY connection, why would it suddenly have popped up in Mary's census record for the birthplace of her father, Elijah?
Though I think I am getting closer to establishing the father and probable brothers of Patrick Smith, lingering questions and complications remain.
The Patrick Smith household in 1830 Jackson Co, AL includes a man 40-50, b/ 1780-1790 that fits Patrick's age, but also a man 50-60, b/ 1770-1780, that could be a father, IF the father was ONLY ca 18 at the time of Patrick's birth. Who is this older man? If the older man is Patrick, then this isn't our Patrick. If the younger man is Patrick, which I believe, then this older man could presumably be his father. But due to the tight age range (married men were usually the legal age 21+ in that era), I think this older man must be an older brother or younger uncle or some other relation rather than father.
Also, to prove or disprove my theories and research on the 3 James Smiths and who was who and how we descend, we'd need to y-DNA test as many male Smith descendants from the various Smith lines there ca 1830-1850 Jackson Co, AL.
Since there is much confusion among who was who and which children belong to whom, we couldn't necessarily stop with male descendants who believe they can prove a relationship to one of the 3 James, but must include the younger Smiths (Patrick, Brooks, James P., Ellison, Jesse, and others in the census from ca 1830-1850).
Testing a known male Smith descendant of that ALA Brooks Smith who still carries the Smith surname today is insufficient as, if my theory is correct, it would only seem to confirm that KY James isn't our Patrick's father.
But if the existing research linking that KY James as Brooks father is wrong, as I suspect, this would be a false negative linking KY James as father of our Patrick.
If the trees are wrong, then KY James could be our Patrick's father, while Brooks Smith might be unrelated to both KY James AND Patrick Smith.
And testing only ALA Brooks Smith descendants would lead to a "confirmation bias" in those that firmly believe that Brooks was son of KY James (and not brother to Patrick).
A further complication is that outside of ALA Brooks, which I call into question, KY James, thus far, only has only confirmed daughters, no confirmed sons by which to compare.
A few researchers seem to link Jesse Smith as a son, but I am skeptical. I have seen no valid evidence for this other than proximity in the census. And if my identification of the 3 James is correct, then that Jesse would be closest to KY James, but that alone cannot confirm relationship.
Beyond that, both Jesse and Ellison (also close by) moved to 1840 Madison Co, AL, so they would be probable brothers based on proximity alone.
Still, it is hardly proof.
And since KY James is the most researched, we'd need to test descendants of as many male Smiths in the census from ca 1830-1850 to establish a working list of relations to each older James Smith.
By DNA testing, we could track which ones are grouped and get a working list of Smith siblings / Smith sons of the various older James Smiths.
Where there are no available or willing male y-DNA candidates to test, we could autosomally DNA test males or female descendants of any birth surname to further compare, but autosomal DNA is more problematic for technical reasons, but can still be useful.
--BSF, 6/8/14; revised 9/15/14, 8/23/2015
Family links:
Spouse:
Mary Ann Lindsey Smith (1788 - ____)
Children:
David Lindsey Smith (1815 - 1868)*
*Calculated relationship
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Created by: Briana
Record added: Feb 24, 2013
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